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Mentorship. It is a familiar word, but what does it mean? When you think of a mentor, who comes to mind? A teacher? A coach? Perhaps a benevolent boss or a trusted colleague?
By definition, a mentor is “a trusted counselor or guide,” and mentorship is “the influence, guidance, or direction given by a mentor.” When I think of mentorship and the benefits, I think of the Three C’s: Counsel, Candor, and Confidence. In this article, I will profile two examples of successful mentorships gained through the AAPPR Mentor Match program, and you can hear in their own words what the experience has meant to them. With increasing emphasis placed on mentorship programs, how can individuals and organizations utilize these programs to grow and develop talent?
Mentorship encourages participants to improve both personally and professionally. It fosters a collaborative environment where there is a free exchange of viewpoints and ideas that can help to build diversity of thought. Mentorship programs make it easier for mentors and mentees to find each other and support a learning culture. Mentors feel satisfaction in sharing their wisdom and experiences with others and experience the opportunity to reflect on their goals and practices. Mentees gain an insider perspective on navigating their chosen career and access to resources.
In spring 2020, Ginger Canaday-Thompson, CPRP, had been a Physician Recruiter with Holzer Health System in Ohio for four years. While she has several years of experience, she wondered if she was doing everything she should to attract top talent to her organization. She also wanted to grow professionally and thought it would be beneficial to have someone to go to for counsel with challenges. Ginger turned to the Association for Advancing Physician and Provider recruitment and signed up for a mentor through the Mentor Match program.
That is how she connected with Dennis Burns, Provider Recruitment Manager at Tidelands Health in South Carolina. Dennis has been working in the profession for more than twenty years. He has long believed that mentorship helps the provider recruitment profession grow and evolve. Throughout his career, Dennis has enjoyed providing education and insight to others and discussing how the profession has changed and continues to advance. He also loves to share stories with other recruitment professionals.
Ginger and Dennis connected on Mentor Match and began to work together through the program. “We started by just getting to know each other. I shared my background with Dennis, and he shared his with me,” Canaday-Thompson said. Burns said that “it is about getting to know one another and building trust. From there, things start to evolve into sharing experiences, challenges, and talking about what we see in the profession.”
For the past eight months, Ginger and Dennis have spoken regularly. “It isn’t formal. We make the schedule. Some of our conversations are long, and some are short.” Canaday-Thompson said. Burns agrees and also points out that “it isn’t a time-intensive commitment, and we always walk away from our conversations having learned something from each other.” The pair have shared both personal and professional challenges with each other during this time and have become friends. Canaday-Thompson noted that “the success of the match is very dependent upon the attitude of both parties. Dennis has been very giving of information, tips, and suggestions and has brought a positive approach to all our communication. That, I think, made our chats productive and enjoyable.” From his perspective, Burns has enjoyed getting a new perspective, “especially the perspective of someone newer to the profession. Working with a professional like Ginger has helped me to continue to grow and, I think at the same time, also supports the growth of our profession. It is about different experiences coming together.”
Jessica Reynolds has been a recruitment professional for ten years and a member of AAPPR for five years, most recently as a Physician Recruiter with Keystone Healthcare Partners in Tennessee. In the spring of 2020, Jessica reached a point professionally where she was thinking about how to continue advancing her career and wanted to know more about AAPPR from an internal perspective. Jessica turned to AAPPR’s Mentor Match program. She found Aisha DeBerry, CPRP, the Atlantic Group Director of Physician and Provider Recruitment for Bon Secours Mercy Healthcare, who also serves on the Board of Directors for AAPPR.
Jessica and Aisha had similar personalities and were able to form a connection right away. “Aisha had a different background from me, but her career had taken her to the director level. I liked that. I also loved how transparent Aisha is.” Reynolds shared. At first, Aisha worried that because Jessica had over ten years of experience, she might not be able to offer her much. “I was honored to be asked to be a mentor, and our first conversation was so easy it just felt like a natural connection,” says Aisha. “I think mentorship is important at any point in your life or career.”
Aisha and Jessica never have an agenda for their conversations, and they both point out that they not only talk about their careers and professional lives but also their personal lives. “We have talked a lot about what it means to be black women in physician recruitment where we are not heavily represented,” DeBerry notes. Reynolds echoed her thoughts and shared how “Aisha and I talk about how to bring our voices, uniqueness, and perspectives to the table.” They can also relate to both being professional women with families and the challenges that can present. “We spend our days in the office, and then we go home, and it’s starting your second job,” DeBerry said. “We are able to bounce ideas off of each other, talk about our experiences, or sometimes we just talk about our families or things that are going on in our lives.”
Over the last six months, Jessica and Aisha have learned a lot from each other. Jessica found someone who is an industry leader and has a diverse background and experience. With their personal lives being almost parallel, she learned from Aisha what she has done in different situations. “Aisha’s transparency is fantastic. I would encourage anyone who is mentoring to be straightforward and open and to go into the mentorship willing to share things that are outside your comfort zone,” Reynolds said. “Seeing Aisha face some big challenges and still find a way to grow and contribute was inspiring and made me find new ways to expand my interests and involvement with my community.” DeBerry shares that “this past year has challenged all of us in so many ways.” The experiences she has had this past year pushed DeBerry to look at things differently. “At a time where you want to help but can’t, mentorship gave me an escape and a way to continue to do something good for other people.”
For those who have participated in successful mentorship programs, the benefits are tremendous. They range from learning skills that will carry them through their careers to tackling a challenging problem and include connecting with someone who has a unique viewpoint or experience and making a lifelong friend. Reynolds summed it up nicely by sharing that “Aisha gives me homework; she asks me questions that make me think and push me to be a little better. I also have a sounding board, someone who makes me slow down and put things in order.” For her part as a mentor, DeBerry says, “it’s my job to be honest and transparent. But it’s not just about providing all the advice and knowledge. You get so much out of mentorship when you’re open to receiving it as well.”
Canaday-Thompson and Burns shared they had a similar experience. Connecting through Mentor Match has translated into a friendship. “Mentors grow from the experience as much as mentees do. I’ve been fortunate to be able to share things with Ginger that are going well and, at times, the things that are challenging for me personally or professionally.” Burns said. From her experience, Canaday-Thompson feels that “I have someone I can go to with any problem or challenge I’m facing. I know Dennis is in my corner, and I’m in his.”
Mentors and mentees agree that it does not take a lot of time to participate and the ingredients for a successful experience are the same. It is essential to be open, both to giving advice and to receiving it. No one is expected to have the answer every time, but mentors and mentees find that they are better able to work through challenges together. Equally important is to remember to give back; the provider recruitment profession continues to grow through the work we do together. Last but certainly not least, members so often mention that it is the network of colleagues that make AAPPR so unique, and the Mentor Match program is just one way to connect with that network in a meaningful way.
To learn more about Mentor Match or enroll as a mentor or mentee, visit Benefits of Mentorship – AAPPR or email Liz Mahan at lmahan@aappr.org.
It cannot be emphasized enough that setting clear expectations in any relationship between an in-house recruiter and a chosen firm or agency is vital to success. Your candidates have expectations, and you take great effort to communicate with candidates along the way. Are we giving our contracted agency firms the same expectation setting? Both parties have expectations about the process and what success looks like, but are you on the same page?
In the current environment of the COVID-19 pandemic and the resulting level of uncertainty, in-house recruiters must take the lead. Remember, agency recruiters and consultants work for you or your organization.
Of course, you can’t control what agency recruiters do or how they operate, or how often they solicit, but you can manage the expectations of outcomes and how you and your organization will be represented to clients. You lead the hiring process and are ultimately responsible for the success of securing a candidate within a timely period. You are the one judged for the quality of candidates put through and so ensuring clarity with your agency partner is key.
One of the mistakes a person responsible for the search can make when dealing with agencies is putting off those calls and not communicating with them enough; at the beginning, during and when closing out a search. Vigorous communication reduces the natural information gaps and assumptions people will make in the absence of clear information or expectation. Elements such as search parameters, timeline, communication preferences, and how feedback in given and applied are all worthy topics.
Insider tip: Recall your worst interaction with an agency or firm. What happened that made it so difficult? Ideally, what could have created a different experience? Use that reflection and the lessons learned to guide expectation setting in all future contracts and continue to reassess what works and doesn’t.
You likely will find yourself needing to educate and set boundaries with the agency recruiter at the beginning of the process. If you haven’t already considered looking at the elements of project management, this may be an excellent method to effectively keep a search progressing. A search is more than just a series of scheduling interviews, meetings, calls, and tasks. It is also more than understanding what you need to do, what’s completed, and what’s overdue. While you may have something to learn from what an agency provides in terms of its process, you will want to clearly articulate and get the agency to buy into yours as well.
All of this preparation reduces the risk that something will go wrong along the way and increases the change of a positive search experience for you, the candidate, and the firm. You’re likely under a lot of pressure to begin right away but taking a bit of time at this stage will save you hours, days if not months down the road.
Setting expectations is not a “one and done” activity. Much as in project management, the process is managed all along the way. Expectations may need to be revised or changed, timelines may expand or compress and having ongoing communication is the only way to address these elements as they’re happening. No candidate wants to experience unnecessary delays because the hiring organization and the agency they’ve contracted with are not on the same page. Your candidates just may drop out of the process.
Expectation setting is a two-sided conversation. The agency may have its own expectations, processes, and timelines. They may also have some advice that could help the search so with a respectful and transparent relationship, these times of advice are worth the listen. You hired a firm because you needed help – now help that firm be successful in helping you.
AAPPR can help you develop your recruitment, onboarding and retention strategy with best practice resources that will reduce your search time, improve internal efficiencies and demonstrate to your leadership the value of well-resourced in-house recruitment teams. Join AAPPR to solve problems, share ideas, make better business decisions, learn how to do things better and get the support you need.
After attending the AAPPR conference in Orlando last month, and a few of our NP Now representatives were very impressed with Allison Dimsdale’s discussion on the topic, “Transforming Recruitment and Onboarding for Ambulatory APPs ” We were fortunate to be able to have an interview with her in order to further learn from her expertise.
Allison Dimsdale, DNP, NP-C, AACC, FAANP is the Associate Vice President for Advanced Practice for the Private Diagnostic Clinic at Duke University Health System. Her clinical practice is as a Board-Certified Nurse Practitioner in the Department of Medicine-Division of Cardiology, where she specializes in the treatment of heart failure, acute coronary syndromes and primary prevention of coronary heart disease. Her third appointment is as Clinical Associate in the Duke University School of Nursing where she lectures to graduate students in the areas of professional practice and cardiology and serves as content expert on student doctoral committees. She is an Investigator on clinical trials through the Duke Clinical Research Institute and is an active participant in nursing research initiatives through the Duke Translational Nursing Institute focusing on implementation science. She has an interest in creative nursing education and mentorship, as well as the leadership interface between systems of care, provider utilization, access to care and excellent patient outcomes. In her role as Associate Vice President of Advanced Practice at Duke, she is responsible for leading the effort to facilitate Nurse Practitioners and Physician Assistants to work to their full scope of practice by implementing ambulatory practice redesign with the aim to increase patient access to high quality, safe and cost-effective care.
Allison sustains active memberships in the American Association of Nurse Practitioners, American Heart Association, American College of Cardiology, American Nurses Association, and the North Carolina Nurses Association. She is a peer reviewer for Elsevier Publishing, and has been published in several nursing and medical publications including Circulation. She serves on a variety of community task forces and boards and was a Fellow in the 2016 AANP Leadership Program. She holds the Associate of the American College of Cardiology recognition and is a Fellow of the American Association of Nurse Practitioners.
She earned her Doctor of Nursing Practice (DNP) and Master of Science (MSN) degrees from Duke University, and her undergraduate degree from the University of Texas.
I have 21 years of experience as both a critical care Registered Nurse, and then a Nurse Practitioner in Cardiovascular Medicine at a large academic medical center. My doctoral work led me to a leadership role where I found myself designing and establishing best practices to design interprofessional teams to provide specialty care. This in turn, defined the need to create a structure to recruit, hire and retain Nurse Practitioners (NP) and Physician Assistants (PA) in ambulatory specialty practice. I am fortunate to be given abundant support and resources at Duke and was able to share my dream with Donna Ecclestone, FASPR, who quickly joined me to change our institutional culture, and to reframe how we bring Advanced Practice Providers (APPs) into our organization, and subsequently utilize their skills to provide increased patient access to high quality, high value patient care. This was a new concept for us and then led to the need to reframe and redefine our care delivery systems.
As APPs are now being asked to work as independent providers of care, their onboarding has become far more complex and important. As we all know, if a detail is missed around billing, or patient scheduling, or certification/credentialing – it becomes a work stoppage issue and thus a patient care issue. Reframing the way we do things and deploy APPs was the only way to create an Advanced Practice organization that provided professionalism and attention to detail in terms of hiring the right provider for the right position at the right time to take care of the right patient. That’s a mouthful, but it truly does define our goals. When an excellent interprofessional team is formed intentionally, everyone wins and the entire group can look forward to a long and fruitful collaboration in order to deliver the highest quality patient-based care.
The process of creating our Advanced Practice Office (which includes professional APP recruiters, HR and onboarding or integration) is one that we have defined and created along the journey. We saw the need as outlined above to create structure and advocacy for APPs, and to create intentional teams where APPs would be working to the top of their scope. We started with a strategic hire program, where in a small way we brought APPs into a funded subvention program for their first year of practice. These providers were carefully supported through the onboarding process, and gradually other practices around our enterprise started asking for our help in designing new practices as well as the recruiting and onboarding process. In order to meet those needs, our office expanded, and Donna developed tools for onboarding (referenced online checklists). We were able to combine with our Provider Recruitment team, which was important because in our state the nuances of NP and PA practice are unique yet important.
Today, our Advanced Practice Office offers practice consulting, recruiting, hiring, onboarding, practice metrics/data, transition to practice Fellowships, and regulatory oversight for almost 500 ambulatory specialty APPs. We continue to learn and grow and believe that APPs and their MD colleagues and practice administrators are better prepared for practice due to the professionalism, energy and enthusiasm of our office.
It is very important for recruiters to understand the professional landscape for Advanced Practice Providers. Although an NP was first a Registered Nurse, as an NP they are practicing medicine from the nursing perspective. This makes their practice wellness based and generally very holistic. A PA has never been a nurse, and they are trained to do the same work from a biomedical perspective. Once in practice for a few years and depending on the nuances of state laws (which are ever changing), their practices may look very similar. APPs are in high demand all around the country, and they will be attracted to an organization that from day one treats them as a professional. The communication, interviews, and hiring process is best done in a way that mirrors that of their physician colleagues. This will attract highly qualified candidates who can be assured that they will be treated professionally in your organization.
The difference between administrative onboarding and clinical onboarding is important. The introduction to the clinical practice is imperative to develop trust between the physician and the APP, and that trust must be bi-directional. A clinical liaison or access coordinator within the practice can be very helpful in designing a practice model and a patient flow that makes sense for the patient population. For instance, will the APP work alongside the physician and manage their non-direct patient care duties, or will they see patients independently in a proscribed visit flow (either manage their own patient panel, or see patients in combination)? Will they augment the MD work by providing a procedure clinic, acute clinic or rounding services? When these things are left to chance or are not well defined, misunderstandings happen easily, and practices are not well optimized. This may lead to increased turnover and attrition, which is expensive and demoralizing for the practice.
Advanced Practice Providers should always work to the top of their scope, training and licensure. Sometimes the answer to the need to grow a clinic is an excellent nurse rather than an APP who is trained and licensed to assess, diagnose, treat and prescribe. Avoiding competition between MD and APP for RVUs or patients, such as in the case of a productivity incentive, is imperative. The group should function as a team without such distraction or competition – in this way they can provide the highest quality, highest value patient care.
Recruiters should be sure they are posting a specific and relevant position description. APPs are increasingly trained as specialty providers, and don’t want to waste time applying for a position that is ill defined or lacks enough detail to determine a good fit. APPs should be treated and deployed as providers rather than as nurses for both job satisfaction and access to care. A good relationship with their recruiter and onboarder, and then with their clinical team can set the stage for a long and fruitful tenure in an academic medical center.
Interviewed by Dorothy Blalock, Director of Brand Management at NP Now
Telemedicine is already transforming healthcare in the United States. Barely heard of a decade ago, it’s now all the rage—with healthcare administrations across the country talking about how they can get in the game. While in a field as personal (and emotional) as healthcare, the goal is not to replace face-to-face physician communication, telemedicine does augment and help deliver care to patients who would otherwise have great difficulty getting medical help. Here are 3 ways it’s already transforming healthcare:
Our primary care system in the United States is already broken, and even patients in major metropolitan areas with an abundance of healthcare facilities, still struggle to find appointments. In reality, physical visits to the clinician are not always required, and a quicker and more efficient telemedicine consult is more appropriate. Certain technologies are also starting to show promise, which allow for “virtual examinations” to take place. Watch this space.
Certain outpatient specialties such as dermatology, which do not typically come into the hospital for consults, are perfect for the world of telemedicine. Especially if they involve a “spot diagnosis” without an array of tests. Other hospital specialties, which struggle to staff adequately and involve frequent emergent consultations—neurology being one such example—are already increasingly utilizing telemedicine.
For a long time rural America has struggled to attract and retain physicians. Telemedicine probably offers the best hope to those communities for receiving quality medical care. Ideally, the physicians should be located in the nearest major town or city.
There’s already a massive physician shortage in the US, and latest estimates project it could be even worse than the 100,000 projected within 10 years. Telemedicine probably represents the most promising method to help ease this looming crisis. The new tech-savvy generation particularly will be more open to seeing their doctor this way. Watch out for it being delivered somewhere near you soon.
About the Author: Suneel Dhand MD is an internal medicine physician, author and speaker. He is the cofounder of DocsDox (www.DocsDox.com), a service that helps physicians find local moonlighting and per diem opportunities, bypassing the expensive middleman.
We at Health eCareers had the distinct pleasure of hosting Carey Goryl, CEO of the Association for Advancing Physician and Provider Recruitment (AAPPR) at our offices. She was kind enough to organize a series of questions and answers among AAPPR board members on current trends, pain points and the role of AAPPR in physician recruitment. In this interview, we hear from AAPPR board members Tammy Hager, MBA, FABC, Lynne Peterson, MBA, FASPR, Robin Schiffer, FASPR, and Bruce Guyant, FASPR. Learn what these experts have to say.
Tammy Hager: Some of the biggest pain points in my role is not being able to get in-house physician and recruitment data instead of using search firm surveys and data.
Robin Schiffer: I have multiple roles. The biggest pain points are: Scheduling and credentialing locums. Hard to find specialties such as GI and Urology. Creating meaningful onboarding and retention strategies.
Bruce Guyant: Aside from just the sheer uber competitive market dynamics of a physician shortage, perhaps the biggest pain point is clinical leaders who do not have a strong enough sense of urgency in the hiring process.
Lynne Peterson: Besides the shortage of physicians, there’s not a lot of alignment between recruitment teams and operation teams. The operations team for example may not have realistic timelines and not fully know when to involve the recruitment team, and thus, finding the right candidate may not be successful if they don’t know the time it takes. For example, some specialties can take over a year to fill those open searches.
Tammy Hager: Organizations, including mine, are using tools to hire for cultural fit more than ever. This includes making sure the entire family is a part of the recruitment process to retain the whole family. In addition, in our organization, telehealth is a big component for many of the physicians hired. We are using that to work with other organizations across the country to provide care. Rural communities are even tougher to recruit for, so we are having to have a personalized and strategic plan for every one of our rural practices.
Robin Schiffer: All specialties need unique approaches when you are in a more rural location. We have to wow the physician and family. Start friendships from the interview day.
Bruce Guyant: Despite a limited pool of candidates to draw from, most senior administrative and clinical leaders still expect their health system or medical group to maintain time to fill averages that are as quick or quicker than the competition or the rest of the industry.
Lynne Peterson: There seem to be more physicians of all specialties going toward hospital or ambulatory practice. Also, physicians are moving more readily from one organization to another, where in the past they stayed their whole careers in one place. They’re more likely to move if their employment isn’t going well.
DO ANY SPECIALTIES NEED UNIQUE APPROACHES?
All: We find that primary care, psychiatry, neurosurgery, rheumatology, and neurology all need unique approaches because of the shortage of physicians in these specialties.
Tammy Hager: Our recruiters have a main focus on retention. We are taking a unique approach in how we reach out to physicians that have ties back to our areas (in the 4 states we serve). In addition, at Mercy Health, we reach out to residency programs that have a faith-based culture to recruit physicians to our faith-based system. Also, we have increased referrals from recent physicians we hired, and the recruiters do that by developing such a great relationship with them while going thru the recruitment and onboarding processes.
Robin Schiffer: AAPPR members that are in recruitment are working on finding a physician for the long haul. Sometimes recruitment firms are more worried about filling the position and getting paid. It depends on the firm. Some are excellent.
Bruce Guyant: The best way to influence job retention is to find the right candidate from the beginning. However, the truth is that recruiters have very little influence over the decision on the part of a provider to stay. Many organizations are seeing the value of having people on the team who are not recruiters who instead have focus on the on-boarding and retention piece full-time.
Tammy Hager: If recruiters truly look for physicians who fit culturally, have ties or spousal ties back to the locations/areas, and make sure the whole family is involved in the recruitment process, they can target those specific physicians.
Robin Schiffer: You don’t just look for skill. You look for a good fit culturally.
Bruce Guyant: The key is to understand your organization’s culture, team, and the needs of the position itself. The better you understand what is needed, the better you can appropriately assess “fit” upfront for your organization with the candidate’s needs and desires.
Lynne Peterson: Start the recruitment process early enough, and ensure that the proper screening is in place to get top talent. Know well in advance about credentialing and where the physician is in that process. At my organization, we do our checks and balances throughout the recruitment process to ensure the proper screening mechanisms are in place prior to offer and well before credentialing.
Tammy Hager: Many physicians do not know the different between in-house and 3rd party recruiters. We have to educate them, and we are doing that at Mercy with content on our physician career site, sharing content in specific magazines and journals that are sent to physicians, in residency program lunch and learns, and in email campaigns.
Robin Schiffer: I don’t think physicians realize the differences until they experience them personally.
Bruce Guyant: While Physicians are getting savvier and better at understanding the differences, most still do not know the differences. Even more really do not seem to care and just respond to each the same way and view them as a means to an end.
Lynne Peterson: I think it depends. On one hand, the 3rd party can advocate for them, but they’re not sure of the information they might get since the recruiters don’t get it straight from the organization they want to work for. The in-house recruiter has more in-depth reliable information, but they can be viewed as advocating for their organizations. It really comes down to what kind of kind recruiter they feel like they work with the best and how they go about their job search.
ARE MOST FULLY AWARE OF THE DIFFERENCES?
All: No
Robin Schiffler: It is really the recruiter at those firms. Sometimes you get lucky and find a gem!
Bruce Guyant: The most successful partnerships are those where communication has occurred up front with both parties fully understanding the needs and expectations of one another. Those who can do that and are respectful of the value of one another in the process will do well. I have personally had some excellent relationships with third party agencies who have sent me a high volume of quality and quantity of candidates.
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